Serendipper wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:14 pm
You say rocks are dead and claim it's by observable, testable, phenomena? It's a matter of opinion based on opinionated definitions of life.
Life is observable....not theoretical.
Life behaves, all other interacts.
Only life wills, that is it can choose the path-of-more-resistance. only life can go up-hill....water mud, dirt, cannot - it flows down-hill. Not consciously, not because it decided to, not because someone else told it to.
If you define life as animate, then no, rocks aren't animate. But if you define life is reduction of entropy, then anything ordered is alive by the definition of life.
So, you redefine life to mean 'order' because you feel like it.
This is what I say about imbeciles corrupting language to legitimize their insanity...their desperate needs.
Order is not life.
Life is order, but not all order is life.
Jews are Semites but not all Semites are Jews.
Ideas are real, but not all reality is an idea, and not all ideas refer to the real.
Order is pattern....life is a unity of patterns that have become balanced, and can iterate, directed by past, precedent, by memory.
Order can create memory, but it is not memory. I can build a house of stone, but not all stone piles are homes.
If you intentionally confuse words, then love is god, up means divine, shit means gold...
Your feminine linguistics betray a motive...not a universal motive YOUR motive. I'm sure you do not have the brains to have invented it so it is adopted...you follow a comforting methodology.
Your goal is not clarity...it is self-aggrandizement, seeking love, appreciation....your particular needs are yet to be discovered. I'm speculating.
Your choice of order = life points to a desire to enhance your living experience with more order - to put your own life in order.
Using language in this way is how you hide your ignorance in a cloud of linguistic smoke and mirrors.
Specific words refer to specific interactions....those that do not are theoretical, abstract. Convolution of the two hides a motive.
Why not simply declare your self god and be done with it?
Universe is god, you are a part of god, by association you are god.
Why are you such a coy bitch? Flirty....
Whatever is alive depends on how you define life. There is a rock. It's ordered. How did it get that way? The rock appears to be falling apart, moving from lower entropy to higher entropy; it's dying. So if entropy was once lower, how did it get that way?
Forget about how it got that way, woman...let's focus on the words first, before we proceed.
Life refers to a specific configuration of order...not all order. It has a specific meaning- it refers to a specific phenomenon.
Big Bang is the closest approach to absolute order - never finalizing. There was a flaw, in your romantic terminology....the flaw we call chaos, defined as randomness to contrast with patterns which is order.
Satan makes life, and free-will possible - metaphor.
If all is ordered you are inconsequential, a bystander, god masturbating using your ass. The only way there is free-will is if there is chaos - randomness makes consciousness necessary - as an immediate adjustment to the forever unforeseeable.
If all was ordered there would be no need for consciousness.....patterns would react to patterns with no judgment required. No choice. everything would be predetermined and you an irrelevant and unnecessary audience.
Perhaps the universal mind is also vain....and needy.
And everything is contained in this universe. There can be no outside process that acted upon the dna molecule that didn't act on the water molecule. If one is memory then so is the other; just dna has more iterations, so more memory. The only way that I can imagine differentiating dna from water is to conjure some process that is distinct from this universe, and animal activity is not a distinct process, as if it had a spirit.
You take yourself as a standard and find in the other what resembles it.....you then conclude that you and it are the same.
Bu you intentionally ignore what is different.
How iteration began to direct itself using memories is yet to be determined....but you already have the answer, don't you my arrogant princess pretending to be rational and humble. You are an ignoramus who uses superstition, her own ignorance, as evidence of something divine.
You already know the solution, but you must now justify it...so you sample reality, you seek out theories that support your desired solution...and you think backwards, like a bad girl. But nothing you declare can you show...it's all theory....words on a page - a thesis, scripture, a declaration.
In the mind any hypothesis is perfect and divine....even Marxism is perfect on paper.
What I know is that atoms do not require memory to be explained.
A river does not decide to flow down the hill, it does not will itself down.
How different patterns can become balanced unites, requiring an equal to their attractive force to break them apart, is not mystical. It's physics.
How gold is formed is not magical...its physics. It can be explained without resorting to mysticism. Occam's Razor. It can be explained using observable phenomena, not occult, magical, spiritual entities, and word juggling hypocrisy.
No consciousness is required to explain how forces harmonize when the attraction force exceeds the repulsion force. To a primitive mind, desperate for a comforting final solution, any explanation using spirits and souls and god, and consciousness is enough.
Interaction = attraction/repulsion = harmony/disharmony....no consciousness needed. No motive, no intent. Blind unconscious interactions, finding an ephemeral balance in relation to environment....to other patterned and non-patterned interactions. External pressure create attrition to produce gold...not a magical force.
External interactions pressure the patterns altering their vibration/oscillation - attrition, forming the element gold. No god in gold.
You've found the solution to everything...you are at the end of thinking.....you have seen the mind of god....all is alive. End of story.
Case closed....time for bed.
Only if you arbitrarily apply the word 'life' and you detach it from its original meaning.
I build a theory from the ground up....I deal in superior/inferior.
I neither know everything, nor will I ever know everything.
Those that have found the solution to all, can claim you as their follower...who cares?
Plenty of fools in the world.
Yes...but not lucid memory.....not experience-based memory.
I differentiate first-hand from second-hand knowledge and memories. I do so not because I feel like it but to clarify, to distinguish, to bring to light.
It's memory is physical....DNA.....it has no mind to apply it, or to contradict it. It follows automated processes....the mind evolved to deal with the unforeseen, the random.
DNA = physical memory - automated
Mind = proactive memory - flexible.
There is also latent memory.....DNA that lies dormant until triggered.
Because I define life as reduction of entropy I'm projecting myself onto the world?
No, sweetie....chaos is increasing - from near absolute order, towards near absolute randomness - linear time
. This is why life is a struggle - agon.
How does consciousness interpret this struggle? As need/suffering. Ergo to be conscious is to suffer, and to need. The non-living and the dead do not suffer and need nothing.
Life is, indeed, ordering...so it must close itself off, as much as possible from the flux. It is a resistance to increasing chaos.
What kind of word-games are masculine?
The masculine plays no word-games...it is straight, clear, direct, honest.
Only a masculine mind can be a philosopher...a woman is more for following, and for religion.
Man = mind dominated.
Woman = body dominated.
Balance in the Hellenic sense is a masculine mind that does not deny or ignore the feminine body - The ideal does not reject or ignore the real to fabricate its idealism.
The body dominated by the mind, not surrendering to it, nor rejecting it.
Physics (ground) - Metaphysics (foundations) - Ideals (projections)...the last two must align with the first, and with each other.
Words are tools to connect the ideal to the real...not to invent the real and then manipulate words to adhere to this fabrication.
substituting words to insinuate into the concept what does not belong there.
Not sure what that is.
It means replacing the word 'order' with the word 'life', for no reason other than because it satisfies your desired conclusion.
Life is order(ing) but not all ordering is life.
1+1 had to = 2. I imposed my will on it
Show me a one outside your womanly mind.
sweetie...numbers are like words symbols...representing an abstraction. There is no one outside the brain, where it remain an abstraction that can refer to everything.
All is fluid...words symbols are static abstractions of the fluid. The noumenon translates the phenomenon into an idea.
Words represent the idea....like 1 is a symbol representing the idea of abstraction. All abstractions are one.
Outside the mind there is no one....no singularity, no absolute, defined as: immutable, indivisible, whole, complete, perfect...non-contingent, eternal...
Anything is possible. Define psychotic and tell me why it's bad. Psychotic has a bad cultural connotation stigmatizing it, so you attach the word to me and, presto, I'm instantly discredited. You do that too much, but it's cool... I can hone my abilities to spot the more nuanced and subtle pigeon-holing that I may otherwise miss. Ironic that you're my teacher
A psychotic is one who lives in his head.
I don't want to make you feel bad, but discrediting the person rather than the topic is a problem and you should work towards fixing it. We all have problems and that's kinda the point of this thread.
You can't make me feel bad even if you tried.
I discredit the idea and then the mind that declared it openly, assaulting my aesthetics.
I use aggression to drive away those that will only waste my time....I use others to make a point to the silent watchers.
My interest in you is minimal. I am using you towards another end.
Furthermore, creating passion is how I make the other expose himself from behind the controlled fake platitudes and polite pretenses.
I want to see what makes you tick....
When studying humans you must apply slightly different methods to those use when studying other animals.
Humans have memes covering genes....they adopt a learned character which they act out....stress or when inebriated this breaks down exposing the true self the personae.